Serena's 'Roid Rage.....

Wow, that was quite shocking. She couldn't control it and she is mighty muscular boys and girls. Hmmmmmmmmm. She snapped a couple of times during the match. Test her dammit!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness, what a meltdown, at the worst possible time!

I think Serena will be regretting that behavior, and more specifically those words, for a very long time. Not that she will ever admit so publicly.

I have always been an admirer of Serena's on-court "fight", but that verbal barrage was just awful.

(full disclosure: I actually know that linesperson from ITF's here in Japan)

*walks away shaking head*

I was wondering if the lineswoman was going to get beat up later. Serena took losing spectacularly to a whole different level with her shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by clock-

I was wondering if the lineswoman was going to get beat up later. Serena took losing spectacularly to a whole different level with her shenanigans.

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Could you imagine if something like that happened?

It never would, of course, but just the thought...

To be honest I find the whole matter quite hilarious.. but ofcourse distrubing too.
I saw it on TV and they were saying that she told the press she didn't remember what she said and that she didn't regret it and had no apology.
Then I googled it.. and what she said was strange, yet quite funny.
I actually had expected something like that though. Serena looked really upset and was rolling her eyes and shaking her head and every so often giving dirty looks to the linesmen.

Serena went into this match with a lot of pressure. Everyone expected a show but for Serena to come out on top. She had several days to think about that because of the rain. From the time she walked on center stage, I could tell something was different. Kim had beaten the Williams sisters in the same tournament previously. Too bad it had to end with such ridiculous drama for such a deserving winner, Kim Clijsters.

I am actually very serious about testing her. She is too full in the muscles and literally is just brimming with muscle. My friend is a physical therapist/former bodybuilder and he saw one of her matches the other day and nonchalantly said she was on steroids. I know he knows what he is talking about. His explanation is that there would be no way for her to hold her muscle size with the amount of cardio that she does in order to be in the shape that she is in. He also has dealt with steroids for years in the bodybuilding industry. I don't doubt it after seeing her explosion. She looked like she had a 'roid rage. The girl is pushing 180 pounds guys if not more. I know she is lucrative to the WTA tour due to her ability to draw crowds, but she seriously needs to be tested at every tournament. I don't care if she is America's only tennis hope right now. I am American and I want the game to be fair for everyone. She has a mighty hairy upper lip too. She looks like the guy from the movie the Green Mile out there in a skirt. For a second, I thought Mike Tyson was posing as Serena Williams out there.

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Originally Posted by tennisking1

I am actually very serious about testing her. She is too full in the muscles and literally is just brimming with muscle. My friend is a physical therapist/former bodybuilder and he saw one of her matches the other day and nonchalantly said she was on steroids. I know he knows what he is talking about. His explanation is that there would be no way for her to hold her muscle size with the amount of cardio that she does in order to be in the shape that she is in. He also has dealt with steroids for years in the bodybuilding industry. I don't doubt it after seeing her explosion. She looked like she had a 'roid rage. The girl is pushing 180 pounds guys if not more. I know she is lucrative to the WTA tour due to her ability to draw crowds, but she seriously needs to be tested at every tournament. I don't care if she is America's only tennis hope right now. I am American and I want the game to be fair for everyone. She has a mighty hairy upper lip too. She looks like the guy from the movie the Green Mile out there in a skirt. For a second, I thought Mike Tyson was posing as Serena Williams out there.

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Just about every woman in the WTA is big. In fact, at 5'9" 150 lbs, Serena is probably below average. Look at Dinara Safina 6'1" or Maria Sharapova 6'2"! They make Serena look small. Even in the ATP we are seeing a trend of bigger people.

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Originally Posted by Lawn Tennis

Just about every woman in the WTA is big. In fact, at 5'9" 150 lbs, Serena is probably below average. Look at Dinara Safina 6'1" or Maria Sharapova 6'2"! They make Serena look small. Even in the ATP we are seeing a trend of bigger people.

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Ha Ha! You think she is 150 lbs.? Not a chance. Not even close. All of 180 lbs. She was twice as thick as the tournament director. She is too full. Seriously. I know plenty of people who aren't truthful about their weight and they take the stats the player gives them. Wouldn't it embarrass you to say that you weighed 180 lbs. as a woman? Hormones don't make you taller, they make you more muscular. Serena is tall as are the Russian players, but size them up muscularity wise. Giant difference. I am a thorough believer that she is juicing now. No doubt in my mind. In the three years I played professionally, I didn't get tested one single time. I doubt very seriously they are testing the ladies.

i don't know about 180. i'm 6'2" 160. there's no way she's bigger (strength-wise) than me. i would accept 170 max even if she is on steroids.

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Originally Posted by Lawn Tennis

i don't know about 180. i'm 6'2" 160. there's no way she's bigger (strength-wise) than me. i would accept 170 max even if she is on steroids.

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She is bigger than you thickness wise. I am 5'10" tall and 175 lbs. She is bigger than I am. Her thighs are as big as our waists. It's the fullness of her muscles that makes me suspect it. I have been around steroid users and they have that same roundness and bulge in their muscles. I have also seen the brief but violent fits of rage that they can have and it didn't look a bit different than what I saw in her. There are too many ways to get around the urine test, but a blood test would say it all. My money says she would fail. I truly think she did not realize that she said she would kill the judge either. She was so enraged, she didn't know what was flying from her mouth. Her aggressiveness towards Clisters at times was also disconcerting. Watch the match again and pay close attention to Serena and see what you think.

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She is bigger than you thickness wise. I am 5'10" tall and 175 lbs. She is bigger than I am. Her thighs are as big as our waists. It's the fullness of her muscles that makes me suspect it. I have been around steroid users and they have that same roundness and bulge in their muscles. I have also seen the brief but violent fits of rage that they can have and it didn't look a bit different than what I saw in her. There are too many ways to get around the urine test, but a blood test would say it all. My money says she would fail. I truly think she did not realize that she said she would kill the judge either. She was so enraged, she didn't know what was flying from her mouth. Her aggressiveness towards Clisters at times was also disconcerting. Watch the match again and pay close attention to Serena and see what you think.

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yeah how about that point that finished with Serena slamming the ball and screaming with fury. her mother was seriously embarassed by that.. she covered her face.

what do you think of this explanation. going into that match, everyone expected high drama points but for Serena to eventually come out on top. she had three days to think this over. after losing the first set, she became even more pressed. also, foot faults are rarely called - for Serena to have two in one match would make any semifinalist mad. all this lead to her losing control.

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Originally Posted by Lawn Tennis

yeah how about that point that finished with Serena slamming the ball and screaming with fury. her mother was seriously embarassed by that.. she covered her face.

what do you think of this explanation. going into that match, everyone expected high drama points but for Serena to eventually come out on top. she had three days to think this over. after losing the first set, she became even more pressed. also, foot faults are rarely called - for Serena to have two in one match would make any semifinalist mad. all this lead to her losing control.

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She was acting bizarre even before the foot fault was called. She also had one earlier in the match. Navratilova said she foot faulted as well. She kind of seemed out of control most of the match, it just took that one thing to make her explode. Take a look at Serena from the old days and compare her to now in terms of size. Besides, where was there pressure on her? She has lost numerous times in Grand Slams and never lost it like that. She acted really bizarre and I want you to take a look again at her post-match interview. I have seen that dazed look in steroid users after they had meltdowns as well. I am telling you, without a doubt in my mind, that I really think she is on hormones. I guarantee she has an elevated testosterone level. Sharapova, Clisters, Henin, Graf, all of them looked basically the same body mass wise throughout their career. Serena is way, way bigger than she used to be. (Maybe that is Mike Tyson out their posing as Serena!)

I really wouldn't be surprised if she was on roids. It's almost impossible for women to put on that kind of muscle without them. I don't really understand how the extra muscle mass helps in tennis though.

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Originally Posted by clock-

I really wouldn't be surprised if she was on roids. It's almost impossible for women to put on that kind of muscle without them. I don't really understand how the extra muscle mass helps in tennis though.

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oh, come on. almost impossible? how could you say that? there are many succesful female tennis players who had lots of strength and DID NOT use roids!
i think the muscle can't be from steroids.
if she was using roids she'd be gone by now.
her career would have been finished by now.

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Originally Posted by Robyna

oh, come on. almost impossible? how could you say that? there are many succesful female tennis players who had lots of strength and DID NOT use roids!
i think the muscle can't be from steroids.
if she was using roids she'd be gone by now.
her career would have been finished by now.

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Not even close. No other women are even close to her in terms of muscle size. There are numerous ways to get around the urine test and she is as aggressive as a bull. When administered by a doctor, they can prolong the career as they are given in low but effective doses. Look at the baseball and american football players who have long careers. Again, I have a close friend who was a professional bodybuilder and used them. He says there is no way for her to keep the fullness in her muscles and be that fit cardio wise. He swears she is on them. Blood test her and lets see!!!

Now that I think about it I have to give her the benefit of the doubt considering a common side effect of steroids on women is reduced breast size and she is... I would say stacked. Still people have been claiming she's on steroids for years, one blood test is all it would take to clear it up.

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Originally Posted by clock-

Now that I think about it I have to give her the benefit of the doubt considering a common side effect of steroids on women is reduced breast size and she is... I would say stacked. Still people have been claiming she's on steroids for years, one blood test is all it would take to clear it up.

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...and imagine how humiliating that would be if the results turned up negative. should we at that point question her training and maybe her diet?

But shes been in this for years now and this is the first (and only) incident to happen like this in her whole career.
If she was on steroids, there would have been many signs.
Okay, lets say the fact she has large breast and is etremely large in size could mean she is on steroids, but still..
Like I said before its only happened once, serena usually expresses her emotions in the way every other tennis player does (yelling, racket throwing eg.)

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Originally Posted by Robyna

But shes been in this for years now and this is the first (and only) incident to happen like this in her whole career.

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that is a good point. up until now, everyone thought Serena was the nicest person.

In my opinion, however, Venus is still the sweetest lady on tour. i hope her leg completely recovers soon so we can see her in action.

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Originally Posted by Lawn Tennis

that is a good point. up until now, everyone thought Serena was the nicest person.

In my opinion, however, Venus is still the sweetest lady on tour. i hope her leg completely recovers soon so we can see her in action.

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I have thought she was on them for years. In low doses, hormones do not effect breast size. It also depends on the type of steroid. There are numerous hormones to choose from. Many bodybuilders develop female like breasts from steroids. She also has a tremendous mustache. Steroid users don't fly off the handle at everything, but when they get in a situation that really upsets them, boom! Watch out. Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire didn't blow up and have fits either. All known steroid users. Add Barry Bonds to that. If they don't test her, wait until she retires. You will see a big difference in build. Noone would have believed Petr Korda was on steroids either. He tested positive and had to retire.

True, true. some players who used Roids were more patient.
But I've got one more point to make. If Serena was using steroids wouldn't she be number one? players like Wozniacki, Klisjters, Safina, Hantuchkova (however her name is spelt) wouldn't stand a chance against her.
she hardly plays like she is on steroids. i think if she really were on steroids they would have been detected.. unless its clear steroids.
anyway, every player who uses steroids is usaully the best. and that isn't just for tennis, for other sports too.

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Originally Posted by Robyna

True, true. some players who used Roids were more patient.
But I've got one more point to make. If Serena was using steroids wouldn't she be number one? players like Wozniacki, Klisjters, Safina, Hantuchkova (however her name is spelt) wouldn't stand a chance against her.
she hardly plays like she is on steroids. i think if she really were on steroids they would have been detected.. unless its clear steroids.
anyway, every player who uses steroids is usaully the best. and that isn't just for tennis, for other sports too.

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Petr Korda was not number one nor was the south american player who was banned for a few months (can't remember his name, but he was moving up the ladder very fast) last year or a couple of years ago. She was number one and plays less tournaments than Safina so she has gotten less points. She tends to win the tournaments she is in. Everyone thinks she should be number one, but since she plays less tournaments, she doesn't get all of the points. Again, there are ways around the urine test. Blood test would be the tell all, but they don't do blood tests. They don't test very often either.

still.. so many times I've watched Serena get defeated so easily.
i was watching her Australian Open match against Wozniacki and serena won by the skin of her teeth. i can't help but think that if she were on steroids she'd have to perfome a little better.
however, you did bring up some good points and there is one thing i realized. i was watching her win in the Wimbeldon '03 and her tactic has changed A LOT. right now, obviously, she is noticabely larger then she was at that time and her tactic is to smash the ball and end the point.. then she used to be more strategical and all.
that is suspicious...