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  1. #16
    That clock-face analogy isn't as intuitive as it seems. I remember weondering about it too, at first.

    To get it, forget that the ball is sphere, and image it a circle, like a clock's face. By swinging "from 8 o'clock to 2 o'clock" we mean that your strings brush the back of the ball upward and and a little toward the right as you hit it. This means the racket head isn't moving exactly straight forward. It's moving forward (through the ball) and upward and little rightward at contact. That's why the strings brush the back of the ball upward and toward the right as you hit it. This "brushing" imparts the spin.

    (When you hit a "flat" serve, you try to straight through the ball as much as possible without imparting any spin.)

    You can see some diagrams that might help at

    http://www.operationdoubles.com/spinningserves.htm

    and the pages following.

  2. #17
    Thanks a lot. It helped me see how to hit it. If anyone has the link for a picture of the tennis clock can you please tell me so I see it.

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  4. #19
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    Spin, spun, anywhich one...

    I tried to learn Stan Smith's American Twist service reading from a book...Never did hit as big as ol' Stan...and without someone watching my toss (which migrated around, from toss to toss,) I eventually came up with a sidespin serve (which doesn't really fool anybody watching and reading my serve.

    I've received serve against Mr. McEnroe ...or somebody who hits very much like him... and the wicked thing about his motion was that you could not "read" it. He disguised it beeeautifullly!!!

    I hated to watch him...then I hated his witchcraft (after I figured out that I'd been boggled by it... )

  5. #20
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    Kick Serve

    Hi,

    Is slice serve hit from 7 to 2 or from 9 to 3?


    Also for kick serve, if i brush from 7 to 1 p.m, where is the contact point? At 7 or at 1p.m ?

  6. #21
    Also for kick serve, if i brush from 7 to 1 p.m, where is the contact point? At 7 or at 1p.m ?
    No matter what kind of serve you hit, the contact point is always on the BACK of the ball -- right smack dab in the center of the "clock face."

    Many players are confused by the clock analogy. They think it means that you roll the racket head around or over the ball in serving. But you don't. The moment of contact is too brief. Your racket doesn't stay on the ball for more than a few milliseconds. You get spin because of the direction your racket head is moving at contact. The strings bite into the fuzz on the back of the ball and brush that spot just a teeny-weeny bit upward and/or rightward while hitting through the ball. That's what imparts the spin.

    If you've studied physics, this will sound familiar: Picture your swing in three dimensions. Or slowly go through the motions of a swing before a mirror. You're not just swinging forward, are you? Your racket-head is also tracking upward and/or rightward a little at the point of contact. These upward and rightward vector components of motion create spin. The forward vector component is the main one. It drives the ball forward.

    So, the clock-face numbers have nothing to do with where you contact the ball. They just indicate the direction your racket head is tracking at contact. In other words, they indicate the direction your racket should brush the back of the ball = the direction of the spin.

    When hitting a slice serve, it may feel like you're striking the right side of the ball a glancing blow. (It does for me.) But if you really do hit the right side of the ball it won't go over the net -- it will go LEFT, into the next court.

    Pure slice spins sideways, from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock. In theory. In practice, heavy slice only comes close to this.

    Spinning from 8 o'clock to 2 o'clock gives you mostly slice with a little topspin. Spinning from 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock gives you a little more topspin and less slice. And so on.

    Pore topspin would spin from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock. Again -- in theory only, because you can really only come close to that.

    For more slice toss farther out to the right. This way your swing tracks sharply rightward. For more topspin, toss more overhead. This makes your swing track sharply upward.

    Don't worry about trying to hit all kinds of serves from the same toss. That's one of those apocryphal bits of conventional wisdom that just doesn't hold true. Even the pros vary their toss to hit different kinds of spin, whether they admit it or not.

    After you're mastered spin, you can try to toss to a spot midway between the best place for slice and the best place for topspin, trying to hit both types of spin from that toss. But you won't get as much slice or topspin that way. And the gymnastics you must go through to get the proper angle of attack on the ball are as much of a giveway as varying the toss. In fact, that awkward motion is far more noticeable than just varying the placement of your toss a little.

    Besides, the only time the receiver can benefit from reading your toss is if it's way too high. Then he has time to adjust while you wait for it to come down to where you can hit it. But the the problem isn't varying your toss for different spins -- the problem is tossing way too high. That hurts you in many ways.

    There's a whole series of pages on spinning serves starting here:

    http://www.operationdoubles.com/spinningserves.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathyk
    No matter what kind of serve you hit, the contact point is always on the BACK of the ball -- right smack dab in the center of the "clock face."

    Many players are confused by the clock analogy. They think it means that you roll the racket head around or over the ball in serving. But you don't. The moment of contact is too brief. Your racket doesn't stay on the ball for more than a few milliseconds. You get spin because of the direction your racket head is moving at contact. The strings bite into the fuzz on the back of the ball and brush that spot just a teeny-weeny bit upward and/or rightward while hitting through the ball. That's what imparts the spin.

    If you've studied physics, this will sound familiar: Picture your swing in three dimensions. Or slowly go through the motions of a swing before a mirror. You're not just swinging forward, are you? Your racket-head is also tracking upward and/or rightward a little at the point of contact. These upward and rightward vector components of motion create spin. The forward vector component is the main one. It drives the ball forward.

    So, the clock-face numbers have nothing to do with where you contact the ball. They just indicate the direction your racket head is tracking at contact. In other words, they indicate the direction your racket should brush the back of the ball = the direction of the spin.

    When hitting a slice serve, it may feel like you're striking the right side of the ball a glancing blow. (It does for me.) But if you really do hit the right side of the ball it won't go over the net -- it will go LEFT, into the next court.

    Pure slice spins sideways, from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock. In theory. In practice, heavy slice only comes close to this.

    Spinning from 8 o'clock to 2 o'clock gives you mostly slice with a little topspin. Spinning from 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock gives you a little more topspin and less slice. And so on.

    Pore topspin would spin from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock. Again -- in theory only, because you can really only come close to that.

    For more slice toss farther out to the right. This way your swing tracks sharply rightward. For more topspin, toss more overhead. This makes your swing track sharply upward.

    Don't worry about trying to hit all kinds of serves from the same toss. That's one of those apocryphal bits of conventional wisdom that just doesn't hold true. Even the pros vary their toss to hit different kinds of spin, whether they admit it or not.

    After you're mastered spin, you can try to toss to a spot midway between the best place for slice and the best place for topspin, trying to hit both types of spin from that toss. But you won't get as much slice or topspin that way. And the gymnastics you must go through to get the proper angle of attack on the ball are as much of a giveway as varying the toss. In fact, that awkward motion is far more noticeable than just varying the placement of your toss a little.

    Besides, the only time the receiver can benefit from reading your toss is if it's way too high. Then he has time to adjust while you wait for it to come down to where you can hit it. But the the problem isn't varying your toss for different spins -- the problem is tossing way too high. That hurts you in many ways.

    There's a whole series of pages on spinning serves starting here:

    http://www.operationdoubles.com/spinningserves.htm
    ure absolutely correct

  8. #23
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    this reminds me when i tried to learn the kick serve too. hehe i'd love to give you pointers but i'm not the best at it. good luck!!

  9. #24
    I agreed with psbrizzle, you need to contact the ball at the right position as described by psbrizzle. The kick serve is not an easy serve at all compare to the flat serve, slice serve, and top spin serve. But it can be done if you have a good back and good timing. Otherwise forget about it. The kick serve is just a topspin serve with some side spin on it. Therefore, master your topspin serve first before trying the kick serve. The following link shows you how to hit a kick serve:

    http://www.zaptips.com/Sports/Tennis/Serves/TopspinServe/tabid/60/Default.aspx
    Last edited by lamkf; 12-14-2006 at 11:43 PM.

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    The kick serve, like any spin serve, is based on the AXIS of spin. You must first understand what the axis is for the type of spin serve you want. A slice serve has an axis that is vertical, a topsin that is horizontal... but horizontal nearly parallel to the baseline. For a kick serve, the axis is nearly horizontal but the axis is not parallel to the baseline but pointed towards the left net post with the racquet path up the equator of this axis. This produces a topspin that is spinning to the right instead of straight ahead as with the topspin, or to the left as in a slice.

    Check out the many articles with excellent video clips at www.tennisone.com.

    I have an article that discusses the different axis of spin for each serve and an example of a reverse slice or reverse twist serve as well.

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